This week on “Wait, So is this a Date?” we’re accompanied by Autostraddle Chief Executive Officer and
L Word
expert
Riese Bernard
to go over: The Chart. Yes it’s true! This occurrence is about lesbian interconnectivity â connecting with buddies’ exes, pals connecting with the help of our exes, and tradition created by all those things drama.
Arrive for news, remain when it comes to emotional running. And before that enjoy a-game that tests Christina’s borders: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she generally will never.)
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PROGRAM RECORDS
+ Five years ago Riese put together an
Old Hollywood information
that is the intersection of my personal interests.
+ Here’s
the article
I reference where I mention starting up with my roommates.
+ My crush regarding the week Mj Rodriguez revealed a songs video clip on her tune
“Something to Say”
!
+ As someone who has just observed a few symptoms of
The Nanny
this montage
of Christina’s crush regarding the week C.C. Babcock was stunning in my experience if it ended up she and Niles commonly both homosexual. (Christina tells me they basically nonetheless are.)
Drew:
I might end up being extremely good with-it current. I’d never add some other person without their own permission. Although notion of whenever somebody had been like, “Confirm that you are attached to me personally,” I would resemble, “Yeah, it’s the life I lived. I really don’t mind.” Is weird? Would be that a problem?
Christina:
No, since if I happened to ben’t, i’d feel terrible not. I would personally be like, “hold off, I am not sleeping?”
Theme song performs
Drew:
Hi, I Am Drew.
Christina:
Hi, I Am Christina.
Drew:
And welcome to
Wait, Is This A Date?
Christina:
Wait, Is This A Romantic Date?
is an Autostraddle podcast asking the top questions. Firstly, will it be a night out together? Just what are dates? That happen to be times? Can we like dates? These represent the sorts of questions we answer on this subject here extremely professional and lovely podcast.
Drew:
I am Drew Gregory. I’m a writer at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, notoriously, a trans lesbian.
Christina:
I am Christina Tucker. I’m in addition a writer at Autostraddle. I’m a loud queer online. Im recovering at explaining myself as an author and, notoriously, a lesbian. That’s you. That’s exactly who we’re.
Drew:
Yeah. And therefore all of our main subject recently is The Chart.
Christina:
I recently believed it required a sting. I’m not sure. That believed really remarkable, but I think it required it.
Drew:
Yes. No, please, kindly, please. Thank-you, many thanks. No, no, no. The perfect level of drama.
Christina:
Thanks.
Drew:
Yeah. Therefore we’re talk with lesbians interconnectivity.
Christina:
I really like that term since it feels like you’ll want to restart the lesbians. It sounds such as the net connection actually operating.
Drew:
Yes. It’s very higher level, very futuristic, but has been around since there is lesbians, i do believe.
Christina:
Yeah. I think scholars will say as soon as they discovered initial lesbian fossils, they discovered a data alongside ones carved inside sand. And that I believe’s what that flick is mostly about, proper? It’s about the information? That flick with Kate Winslet and the sand fossils?
Drew:
Ammonite?
Christina:
Yeah, that is what it’s about.
Drew:
If only
Ammonite
was about cavern females. I’d view that lesbian motion picture.
Christina:
Really, as I haven’t observed it, i will bravely say that it actually was. Cool.
Drew:
Yeah. Because it’s like we’ve got so many lesbian duration parts, but we’ve never ever eliminated straight back that much. And that I think it’s the perfect time we do.
Christina:
Let’s merely keep using it furthermore back in time.
Drew:
Before we obtain to our major topic, you are still getting to know you. And I also believed that it could be enjoyable to play a casino game for which you men could truly get acquainted with Christina. Very our icebreaker for this few days is actually some game that we call “Would U-Haul.”
Christina:
I will be, once again, so pressured concerning this. This could just be how i-come in to the video game. This could be my video game mentality, some high key, just a little stressed. Which is okay. All of us are reading.
Drew:
I do believe that is great. I believe that can make you more susceptible, perhaps.
Christina:
Certainly the best thoughts.
Drew:
Just a horror, simply a serious terror. And so the manner in which “Would U-Haul” really works is actually I’m going to describe a situation. Let us call it Christina follower fiction. And I also’m likely to pause after each and every little area as love, “Okay, Christina, i understand you have never lived with someone, don’t want to live with somebody. But under these scenarios, would U-Haul?”
Christina:
And I also will either say yes or we’ll say, “i am all set.”
Drew:
If you don’t â really, we will see right here. But I’m excited. I believe I possibly damaged the rule.
Christina:
You have damaged the rule? I’m excited.
Drew:
Let us find out how long this requires. And in case there is a constant would, In my opinion you winnings? I am not sure how you will find winners here.
Christina:
I’m not sure that we now have winners within the online game of U-Hauling.
Drew:
Well, I’m not sure in the event that you’ll accept that after that. Thus I’m getting heading.
Christina:
Fair sufficient.
Drew:
Okay. Thus, Christina.
Christina:
Drew.
Drew:
You’re at the buddy’s wedding ceremony. Despite the plethora of romcoms you soaked up, you probably did not choose this wedding ceremony thinking you’ll meet anybody because, really, this isn’t a romcom. Here is the genuine and regular longevity of Christina Grace Tucker. You are taking the assigned chair and generally are glancing at your telephone once you understand a lady at your dining table is wanting at you. She introduces herself as the buddy’s previous baby sitter. She actually is remained a pal associated with the family, but she does not really know anyone there. She looks like mid-forties features a striking angular face. You set about chatting. She offers to provide a glass or two. And when she stands up, you understand she actually is six foot tall, 6â² 3â³ in pumps. You know very well what? I am just attending stop there and stay similar, at this point, would U-Haul?
Christina:
I am captivated. I am fascinated because I might get laid as of this wedding. But thus far I am not U-Hauling anywhere.
Drew:
Cool. That’s entirely reasonable. Totally reasonable. Okay. Which means you spend entire marriage observing the other person. There is simply a sudden spark and instant chemistry. And certainly, you do get together together with sex is amazing.
Christina:
Tight.
Drew:
And so this wedding was in Northern Ca. Which means you both extend your own stays for three days to fuck and explore and consume at restaurants and shag. And you offer to divide the expense of the today shared room, but she laughs you down and is like, “clearly not, honey.” So that the next three days are magic. You feel your own walls tumbling straight down. You’re dropping faster than you ever have actually. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
Thus only for understanding’s benefit, i am having trouble picturing some sort of by which we took three surprise days off of strive to hang out with a person i really do maybe not understand. That looks bonkers. However, if used to do, great for me personally. But i am not U-Hauling at this point. It will likely be a no.
Drew:
Great. Okay. Which is great. You simply came across. I have it. I have it. Okay.
Christina:
Thank you so much such.
Drew:
So she comes back to nyc therefore go back to Philadelphia.
Christina:
That is where We live.
Drew:
And you are texting everyday. That is where your home is plus its where this woman life. And you’re texting continuously and also you see both multiple times four weeks. She is very active together with her task, but she actually is quick to get you a train violation to come see the lady and stay at her breathtaking brownstone in Fort Greene. After which half a year pass. And another evening when you are off to dinner, she requires you to definitely move around in together with her. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
And relocate to Nyc? Really don’t love New York. No, I am not moving in on 6 months level. I am not carrying out that, no.
Drew:
Okay, okay. Completely, totally, totally. Wow. Okay. So you keep internet dating long-distance. She knows that you’ll need some time she actually is ready to watch for you. A few more several months pass. It is today already been over annually. The property manager tells you that they’re selling your home to a developer who’s putting in condos, so that you can’t restore it. You should get a hold of a brand new destination. Your own now sweetheart informs you that no stress, but the woman offer however appears. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
Okay. At this point, I would U-Haul for two factors.
Drew:
Yay! Okay. Please inform us.
Christina:
Largely, in a world in which my personal property owner sold my house to build it, my personal landlord is now my best friend, with the intention that may seem like one thing went incorrect within friendship. And I also might choose to merely keep Philadelphia anyway. Assuming I get to maneuver in with my sweetheart over right here, that looks great. Which is okay. Entirely fine. But yeah, i do believe i may require an external energy like a mean property owner.
Drew:
Which is thus â fine. I did so genuinely believe that you’ll must require property attain truth be told there, thus I’m pleased I knew that.
Christina:
Yeah. Which is exactly what has to accidentally me personally first.
Drew:
Really, i am glad to understand what it’s going to take. Thus in theory, if you weren’t kicked away, just how much more hours?
Christina:
Actually, might have gone on for a long time. Philly and ny are not even that not one another. I obtained area over here. We’re jumping back and forth. We’re having fun. I possibly could have let that roll for a long period until i assume Shoshana becomes the worst individual I know.
Drew:
I did not know that Shoshana owned your house. Well, there you are going.
Christina:
There we go. Wow, that was exciting.
Drew:
Well, many thanks for playing.
Christina:
I am pressured, to-be clear.
Drew:
And that I’m grateful that i am aware⦠Maybe if you should be actually, so if anyone’s ever matchmaking both you and wants one move in, perhaps your gf informed Shoshana to offer our home in the interest of your own relationship.
Christina:
Honestly the quickest way â somebody would simply have to speak to Shoshana and start to become love, “merely kick her away.” And then she’d end up like, “Yeah, certain. Needless to say.” That could be the way it happened, in the event she didn’t offer our home. Some body would you need to be like, “is it possible to simply kick the girl away so she’ll only get over it and relocate with me?” And she would state yes. A hundred percent she would accomplish that. That is what friendship is.
Drew:
I adore that.
Christina:
Yeah, which is truly gorgeous.
Drew:
Well, i’m like we discovered alot in regards to you.
Christina:
Thanks. I believe like We discovered a large number about me, too. Threat of homelessness is truly the point that helps to keep me moving in any circumstance, I guess. Wow.
Drew:
Well, which is fantastic.
Christina:
That was truly fascinating. I am similarly delighted to go into our very own primary section because I think referring to lesbian connectivity with this particular visitor, with this specific special visitor, I think it will likely be incredible, Drew. How are you experiencing?
Drew:
I’m therefore excited. This might be specialized. And by that, I mean an
L Word
expert, but additionally some a professional within the subject available.
Christina:
In my opinion two things may be correct, my good friend. I do believe a couple of things is generally correct without a doubt. Can we need to introduce all of our guest or will we want our visitor to introduce themselves?
Drew:
I would love our guest to introduce by herself.
Christina:
Guest.
Drew:
I’ll declare that our guest may be the only Riese Bernard.
Christina:
Guest, speak.
Riese:
Hi, I Am Riese. Plus its unusual to get the guest!
Christina:
Yeah, its.
Riese:
I got to not state everything. I didn’t also exercise. Used to do say situations. I got to sit right here quietly.
Christina:
And also you happened to be truly fearless. Plus faces were valued.
Riese:
Thanks a lot so much.
Christina:
Though this will be certainly an audio average, Needs our audience to understand that Riese was actually generating some great reaction confronts during “Would U-Haul.”
Riese:
Absolutely various ways become heard. Do you know what I mean? That is what I always state. Im the CEO of Autostraddle.com. And I’m additionally on an undefeated kickball group. And that is me. I have a puppy named Carol. And I also have outdated people.
Christina:
Congrats throughout the kickball!
Riese:
Thanks. I’ve been involved with individuals.
Christina:
Great. Adoring that. That is great to carry to this, this right here internet dating podcast. Which is good.
Riese:
Yeah. In my opinion that⦠Could There Be anything else?
Drew:
No, i do believe that is fantastic, Riese.
Christina:
Whatever you decide and wanna discuss.
Riese:
I enjoy raspberries, the fruit raspberries, and pools.
Christina:
In Contrast toâ¦
Riese:
You Are Sure That when someone goes likeâ¦
Drew:
It really is like once you strike. Yeah.
Christina:
Oh. Those are disgusting, therefore I simply just exhausted them from my personal mind.
Riese:
Yeah. And that is all.
Christina:
Great.
Drew:
Well, I straight away looked at you with this subject.
Christina:
That’s true.
Drew:
Because firstly, demonstrably, queer females and non-binary people in lesbian area have been like, I don’t know, having sexual intercourse with others exactly who their friends had gender with since long before
The L Word
was actually ever a set. But i really do feel like
The L Word
solidified a certain cultural notion of the data with Alice Pieszecki. And so I felt like you’ll have a lot of understanding of this subject.
Riese:
It’s true. Two of the article writers, I want to state, of
The L Term
had this genuine chart ones in addition to their friends these were attracting throughout the wall or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, i believe, had been one of these. She chatted to all of us regarding it, which they had built this. Because clearly, everybody because author’s space had banged other individuals in author â you realize, in addition to extensive internet of these generation of lesbians in Los Angeles. And so they saw can they were like, “let us put it into the tv show.” Many of them are on the chart. Like, some people whom ⦠like, actual people are on the data as a tale.
Christina:
Which is incredible. That is how you know you’ve made it.
Riese:
Is not that attractive?
Christina:
That would be thrilling for me personally.
Riese:
And for those who haven’t seen
The L Term,
first, congrats. Second of all, it will become the centerpiece of one of our head fictional character, Alice’s, apartment. This lady has it all over her wall. And in addition it could be the name of a site which they began known as ourchart.com that flopped. Together with concept ⦠and it is in pilot, I think. From inside the 1st event, Alice starts speaing frankly about how everyone’s linked, because everyone’s hooked up using this individual. And that I can link you, as if you’re most likely only two levels far from me personally. And therefore was actually correct. Like, despite having Dana, that has not a lot of experience because she was a closeted playing tennis member, they still could connect this lady. And that’s actuality since it is genuine.
Christina:
That is culture. Yeah. That’s what culture seems like.
Riese:
That is society. That’s queer tradition right there. And from now on every person tends to make their very own maps.
Christina:
Yeah. To ensure would definitely be my personal subsequent concern, was actually have actually either of you made a chart? Because I really don’t consider We have, I am also types of now considering like, what was this last year seated at my house for easily failed to create a chart? Like, the thing that was the point of that, really?
Riese:
In my opinion I’ve done it in my own log, as like ⦠Because I really like, I am not sure, arranging details, i suppose, as a thought physical exercise.
Christina:
Yeah, I think which is additionally precisely why Im astonished that I haven’t done it. I really like the idea of categorizing circumstances.
Riese:
Correct. Yeah. Since it is fascinating. I am not sure the reason why it’s therefore interesting, however it is. It is interesting to-be love, wow, a few of these individuals, they can be linked. It really is untamed.
Drew:
On program, once ourchart.com is actually devised, they’ve a real information that folks can also add material. And I feel just like something that you joked about on
To L and Back,
and from now on people state constantly is similar to, when this existed in a genuine means, no one would put their particular labels upon it, not one person would feel safe placing their own names upon it.
Riese:
You would.
Drew:
I might. I would be extremely good along with it current. I might never ever add another person without their authorization. Nevertheless the concept of similar, each and every time some one was actually like, “Confirm that you happen to be attached to me,” I would resemble, “Yeah, this is the existence i have resided. Really don’t worry about.” Would be that strange? Is the fact that problematic?
Christina:
No, because if I becamen’t, I would personally feel bad not-being ⦠I would personally resemble, “hold off, I am not on it? Like, I’m sorry, just what?” No, that will in fact deliver myself into lighting ethical panic about whom I am as someone, everything I’m undertaking. In the morning we interesting? Perform men and women {like